CHAT ARCHIVE - 12-12-98, Freewriting and Clustering

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Started on Sun Dec 13 00:27:04 1998

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<Casey> We have a new youth member who finally met all our stringent requirements this week and will, hopefully, join us tonight.
<Bookpal> Great
<Crispian> Good
<Minky5> stringent requirements? *looking around*
<Chipmonk> For youth, yes.
<Casey> Our youth members must have permission forms notarized by their parents.
<Chipmonk> And they have to behave or Casey makes them stand with their noses in circles on the chat screen.
<Minky5> lol
<Crispian> laughing
<Casey> Darn right!
<Casey> I'm a force to be feared.  ha ha ha ha ha!
<Chipmonk> Speaking of feared, where's the boss?
<Minky5> I haven't seen him in awhile
<Casey> Couldn't be interrupted when I sent the chat.  He was in the middle of a critical thingie.
<Chipmonk> Okay.
<Casey> Tonight's topic is freewriting and clustering
<Casey> clustering and mapping are quite similar, so I'll explain their differences as well.
<Minky5> thanks
<Casey> Clustering and mapping are both chart (visual) aids.
<Casey> In clustering, "positive" is written at the top of the page on the left and "negatives" on the right.
<Casey> Whatever your chosen topic, is divided into positives and negatives
<Crispian> Casey, a dumb question, what is the point of clustering?
<Crispian> Or I should say, the intent
<Bookpal> My paper is ready, Teach
<Casey> To reach the depth of a subject, or to see clearer where something stands.
<Casey> For instance, if you're confused by the whole abortion issue, try clustering, and see which way you are tending to lean
<Crispian> Okay, I understand that.  Thanks
<Casey> See if there are patterns emerging in your thinking about a subject.
<Casey> Which, pretty much, is what clustering, mapping and freewriting is designed to do.
<Crispian> Is that done to try and write objectively?
<Casey> Not necessarily.
<Casey> It is used a lot in term papers, but it's value is in reaching subject depth.
<Crispian> Okay, why would that be important?  I am pretty dumb tonight
<Minky5> that Princeton site I sent you Casey was a big help to me
<Casey> Because all the best stories I've read have delved deep into their subject matter and presented aspects of it that may be new or heretofore unconsidered by the readers.
<Casey> Would you care to give out the URL here, Minky?
<Minky5> sure... I can send it to everyone
<Crispian> Okay
<Casey> Cloning, for instance.
<Casey> What are the positive and negatives?
<Casey> Thank you, Minky.
<Casey> "positive" should have an "s" on the end of it everywhere I've used it.  My fingers aren't working right tonight.
<Bookpal> Q: Would you do this as the author to see where you stand and/or a character to see how they think of an issue in the story?
<Casey> Yes.  It would work quite well in either case.
<Bookpal> I agree
<Minky5> everyone should have gotten a url through ICQ
<Bookpal> Thanks, Minky
<Casey> I've done it before myself.  When two characters are arguing, each must present his/her side as they see it.
<Casey> Clustering would help to develop that argument quite effectively.
<Chipmonk> Thanks, Minky.
<Minky5> your welcome everyone
<Bookpal> Yes, it would.  Knowing all you know of your character you could use this method to form their opinions. Cool!!
<Casey> Exactly.
<Casey> And the opinion you don't share has to be argued as effectively and with as much validity as the side you do believe.
<Minky5> seems like there is always a book behind the book!
<Casey> There is!
<Bookpal> AND what appeals to me is you could do this as you write and something comes up.  Doesn't have to be decided when you make a "character list" (if you use them)
<Casey> Exactly.
<Casey> The better your background details and history are laid, the more believable your story and characters.
<Minky5> I found that out last time...
<Casey> Mapping is similar to clustering in that brainstorming is involved, only here, you write the topic in the center of the page, then write your issues and ideas around that subject.
<Minky5> looking at that Princeton site... it can get messy!
<Casey> You draw lines as one issue leads to sub issues that are related.
<Casey> Yes, Minky!
<Casey> The one advantage Mapping seems to have over clustering, is that you can have midground issues
<Minky5> midground?
<Casey> midground 3D things that don't fall into either a good/bad or positive/negative category.
<Minky5> maybes
<Casey> Yes, Minky
<Casey> Did you want to do an exercise with these techniques before we move on?
<Bookpal> I can see where I can apply this to my character, Anna
<Bookpal> Sure
<Casey> Shall we do "space program?"
<Casey> everyone can throw out positive/negatives/issues as they think of them.
<Minky5> I don't know if I can exercise anymore today... I've already walked a lot...
<Minky5> I can't spell either
<Crispian> Provides many new products to the marketplace
<Crispian> Has provided much in medical technology
<Casey> In all of these exercises, ignore spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc.
<Crispian> Costs a lot of money
<Crispian> Is that what your after Casey
<Chipmonk> Provides us with really cool pictures.
<Casey> Yes, Crispian.  Keep going.  Others join in.
<Casey> Brings back neat rocks!
<Crispian> Has sparked the miniature product market
<Chipmonk> Changed our view of our place in the universe.
<Bookpal> Gives us pride in our country
<Crispian> Has become lax in later years
<Bookpal> Sad memories of people lost
<Chipmonk> Cooperation with Russians--now.
<Minky5> expands our living space outside of earth
<Casey> Will it provide us a new frontier before our own planet is too polluted to support life?
<Minky5> neat stuff like Tang ;-)
<Bookpal> If we can walk on the moon we should be able to..................
<Crispian> We can't breathe there
<Chipmonk> Space food sticks--a negative.
<Crispian> Must wear spacesuits
<Crispian> fabricate oxygen
<Casey> toileting facilities--how do they do it?
<Crispian> Very carefully
<Minky5> lol
<Chipmonk> Some people think it affects the weather.
<Casey> Is it possible to grow food in space without unexpected mutations?
<Casey> Satellites!
<Minky5> space junk - a negative
<Chipmonk> Computers!
<Bookpal> You're never too old to do it again!
<Casey> The danger of heretofore unimagined warfare
<Crispian> Why do we venture there?
<Chipmonk> Uh, you wouldn't need to wear a push up bra.
<Minky5> because we can
<Bookpal> lol
<Chipmonk> Decalcifies bones.
<Crispian> And loosens muscles, oh my
<Bookpal> I don't know as much about the space program as I should
<Casey> The necessity to invent new equipment/new means
<Crispian> Highly controversial subject Bookpal
<Minky5> leaps and bounds in technology
<Bookpal> Where is it leading?
<Crispian> And where will it end?
<Minky5> Babylon5
<Chipmonk> Watching astronauts chase water blobs around.
<Casey> Unifying nationally
<Casey> and globally
<Crispian> But not politically
<Minky5> separates the *haves* and *have-nots*
<Bookpal> Has become common-place, not the stop the world excitement as it was in the beginning.
<Chipmonk> Hubble-seeing distant galaxies, learning about the origin of the universe.
<Minky5> 3rd world will be left behind
<Crispian> May become the final battleground for earth's survival against an asteroid
<Casey> Have the discoveries compromised many existing moral sets?
<Casey> Learning about new existances
<Chipmonk> Makes holes in the ozone layer.
<Minky5> survival of the fittest
<Crispian> But the meek shall inherit
<Bookpal> Would blood drip or float off a dagger?
<Crispian> Float
<Minky5> but the meek are left with a polluted earth
<Casey> lol, Bookpal!  Spoken like a true mystery writer.
<Bookpal> lol -thanks
<Bookpal> Always, on my mind
<Casey> Zero gravity!
<Chipmonk> I think it might be hard to stab someone in Zero G's unless you had them against the wall and you held on to something.
<Crispian> No need to stab, just cut airline
<Casey> Or getting a flying start
<Bookpal> Interesting
<Minky5> group brainstorming is the best... I would be hard pressed to come up with this all alone
<Crispian> Myself also, Minky
<Casey> Agreed, Minky
<Bookpal> Groups do help
<Chipmonk> Throw them outside.
<Casey> More space trash!
<Minky5> so... write my book for me... lol
<Bookpal> You have a point, MInky. It seems easier when you are helping someone else - it is your own book that is difficult.
<Chipmonk> Actually,if stabbed with force, I think blood would spurt out blobs and they'd bounce around the room.
<Bookpal> Cool
<Minky5> hit the nail on the head... hammer or candlestick Bookpal?!
<Casey> It is more fun to do this in group, but it's also pretty amazing the depth you can achieve once you "get rid" of your surface thoughts by putting them to paper or screen, and then having to come up with more.
<Crispian> For me bookpal, when I do exercises like this, I learn.  And then if I apply them, they help tremendously
<Bookpal> Good exercise, Casey
<Crispian> Enlightening Casey.  And I definitely need that
<Minky5> these exercises have me starting from scratch everytime... but it makes a better *product*
<Bookpal> true
<Casey> Onto freewriting.
<Crispian> Otay
<Chipmonk> Okay.
<Bookpal> ok
<Casey> Freewriting also requires this kind of brainstorming, but it's a timed exercise.
<Minky5> otay Buckwheat
<Chipmonk> Okee dokee
<Crispian> heh heh
<Casey> (buncha weird people!)
<Bookpal> lol
<Minky5> tee hee
<Casey> I love you all.
<Crispian> Yo minky, jo ablo eglish
<Minky5> and we love you too... *cushing*
<Chipmonk> Hugs all round.
<Minky5> lol Crisp
<Bookpal> Love to you too, Casey
<Casey> Thank you all.  (geez, I have to watch what I start!)
<Minky5> gushing... gee whiz...
<Crispian> Thank You very much, in deep elvis voice Casey.  heh heh
<Chipmonk> D tis have anything to do with freewriting?
<Casey> Oh!  Someone in our neighborhood has an Elvis in their front yard with 3 singing snowmen nearby.
<Casey> It's too funny for words.
<Bookpal> I bet!
<Casey> Nope.
<Chipmonk> Lol!
<Casey> Freewriting:  is usually 5 to 10 minutes in duration, and is simply writing on a chosen topic, nonstop.
<Casey> Again, without concern about spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc.  Crossing out and editing is not allowed.
<Crispian> And this is done for?
<Casey> If you can't think of something to write, you write "I don't know what to say" or something similar.
<Casey> For the same reasons as clustering and mapping.
<Chipmonk> All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
<Crispian> And old before his time too
<Minky5> stream of conciousness thinking Crispian... free association... whatever
<Casey> Plus, it's the free-ist form of writing there is, since you're not leading up to a conclusion or point.
<Bookpal> Gets your brain waves going - works great first thing in the morning before you start the serious stuff
<Crispian> Done during a story then?
<Casey> It can be done during a story if you're stuck and need a springboard to begin writing.
<Casey> Or to achieve depth, just as clustering and mapping are designed to do.
<Crispian> I see.  But getting the brain in motion would be a useful tool
<Crispian> I understand
<Casey> It's also supposed to be good to break writer's block.
<Bookpal> And it is.
<Casey> If you've ever sat there and stared at a blank page for an hour and you don't like the one sentence you've managed to write, then try freewriting.
<Crispian> Should be good therapy
<Crispian> Remember course in college called Creative Writing and this was one of the methods developed
<Casey> It is.  And even if you want to write and don't know what to write, you can freewrite and sometimes come up with something that can be used within a story or to spark a story idea.
<Bookpal> I also start my writing time once in awhile writing a letter to someone - just a fast chatty thing and it gets me going - and my friends get to hear from me - worked great before email.
<Crispian> Good methodology Bookpal
<Casey> That's a great idea, too, Bookpal.
<Casey> I don't know how much typing we can do into this input line before we max it out (if that is possible).
<Bookpal> I'm sure someone suggested it somewhere in my many readings on how to write
<Casey> We could try a freewriting exercise, and I can let you know when time is up by blasting the fog horn.
<Bookpal> Maybe we could type and then enter one at a time
<Casey> Yes, we would have to enter one person's writing at a time.
<Bookpal> ok - are you going to give us a subject?
<Casey> Yep!  I came all prepared with subjects.
<Chipmonk> Oh no!
<Casey> It will be interesting to see how we each differ, too.
<Casey> The topic is "Trees."
<Bookpal> Yes, it will - we do this in writers group at the library
<Casey> Everyone ready?
<Bookpal> ok
<Crispian> Otay
<Minky5> lol
<Casey> Begin typing now.  I'll give you 5 minutes.
<Casey> A large tree was cut down by the city the other day.  I felt the tremor through the ground when the trunk fell.  I'd been noticing the men cutting off the branches all morning long.  It was an elm and had Dutch Elm disease.  that's why they cut it down, but it was still a sad event.  The treee was older than I am.  Maybe planted when the neighborhood was formed.  Because all the trees were planted along the side of the road too neatly to be natural growth.  They're too evenly spaced.   It was like a piece of history coming down.  I wondered what changes the tree had seen while it grew, and whether others trees will be going its way--cut down early.  The trees are trimmed for winter so snow won't take down power and telephone lines, but I think it weakens the trees and makes them sucepticlbe to disease.  Plus, the car cpolution and other polution doesn't help.  That tree was home for birds, squirrels, and other things--molds, I can't think of the name of the thing I'm thinking of, fungi!  that's it.  Mushroom-like growths. That's not to count microbials.
<Minky5> why am I drawing a blank... majestic... willows in the wind... sun through japanese maple leaves... whistle of fir trees in the wind... the scent of pine and the crunch of pine needles... a cool forest on a hot summer's day... treehouses... warm ripe cherries from the tree in my parent's front yard... lol... sweethearts carving their intials and finding them years later... the mind is going blank... breakings limbs during a storm... water dripping off leaves during a gentle rain... squirels chattering and scampering among the branches
<Chipmonk> I wonder if my apple trees will bloom this spring?  They are four years old now, so they should and the pears too,  Hope I get fruit. All this time taking care of these little sticks and watching them grow.  they sure didn't look like much to start--just sticks. I've had to pick japaneese beetles off them and protect them from the rabbits. That is faith for you--growing a tree with the hope of a harvest.  It's a lot different than growing beans.  I wonder what Sabre urinating on them will do, fertilize or kill.  It would be a shame to loose them after four years of growing.  I hope the apples taste as good as the sounded when I read the catalog.  Freedom and Liberty. No chemicals, no dusting, no spraying. Funny how the beetles like the one and not the other.  I did find a few leaves witth fire blight on one of the pears.
<Casey> I had to go first so I can talk to you.
<Bookpal> the fake tree is smaller than i thought it would be. works on a table and will be just right since we are not going to be home for christmas. won't have to worry about it or take it down before we leave. sure looks sad compared to the trees i see out the window with the snow all over them. wonder what the cat will think and if it is out of his reach. the best christmas tree i ever had was one we took out in the yard and sprayed it with fake snow using the vacumn cleaner, what a mess, but with all the gold trimmings and the flashing lights it was beautifyul. it made the most awsome designs on the walls and ceiling of the living room. but the tree that stands out in my memory was the one a friend did that was spray painted black, decked out in silver and sat just a few feet from her baby grand piano. wierd but fasinating. christmas trees always make me think of my brother and his patience in hanging tinsel, one strip at a time. sure have missed him all these years.
<shorty103> hello everyone
<Chipmonk> Hi shorty.
<Casey> Rose, you missed our exercise.  Please be patient while we all return to read what's been posted.
<Casey> We each did a timed freewriting exercise.
<Casey> No one post anything so we can read.
<shorty103> Oh, so if no one posted anything how could you read it?  a silly question , a blonde moment
<Casey> I'll cut and past it back in.
<Bookpal> Did Crisp post - can't see it if he did
<shorty103> yes, thanks Casey
<Crispian> I can't help but stare at the horizontal rows of oak trees in the front yard.  Laid in almost a perfectly straight,  i  ponder as to their intent.  Was it purposefuyl?  Was there a vision, or a plan that led to this design.  And why were the other oak trees spread throughout the yard in random order.  On last count there was 47 and then several new sprouts just starting to stretch for the sky this eyar.  I did learn however there are a wide variety of oak trees and just this last week learned of a term called mission oak.  My foks had given me an old rocker nearly a hundred years old my grandmother has retained throughout her entire life.  The oak appears somewhat soft and in questioning several acquaintances, no one down South here can identify with the term.  I shall have to seek the advise of an antigque trader since mission oak appears to have some singnificance to our elderly citizens. Yet during my life, the term has disappeared into a cloak of secrecy. An interesting and intriquing concept.  Mr. Beck, the local auctioneer although lean and very educated on coins and guns, leaves much to be desired on the personable scale.  He seems to be gruff in his voical reflections and sort of mean looking with his stare during an acutual auction.  I wonder what led him into such an nervous display as he continually tips his toes and the person who makes the bid.  A fascinating mode of expression which I am sure he is not even aware of. I shall corner him after the next
<Minky5> well... I didn't have a chance to read everyone else's... so I don't know if I did it *right* Rose!
<shorty103> Now I feel a little foolish, I haven't really thought of anything to write off the top of my head
<Minky5> Trees was the subject Rose
<shorty103> Oh my, I am going or should I say, I don't know what to say on this topic,
<Minky5> Casey gave us all 5 minutes for some free form writing... just stay...
<shorty103> okay
<Minky5> interesting that my writing was disjointed and that everyone else's thoughts flowed from one central idea
<shorty103> everyone's work is so good, if I really thought about it, I might have come up with something, but everyone Wow!
<Bookpal> that's the idea minky - let your mind go where it wants
<Minky5> but that is the way I have felt lately too...
<Casey> Yeah, there's no right or wrong way to do this.
<Bookpal> I love things that have no right or wrong - lol
<Minky5> writing can be theraputic... I know the spelling is screwed! lol
<shorty103> me too!
<Minky5> Crispian.... so quiet...
<Bookpal> i noticed both Crispian and I left a general subject and started focusing on a "character" - wonder where we would have gone?
<shorty103> I guess that is why I like to keep a journal, it's a safe place for me
<Crispian> Not quiet Minky, just reading
<Crispian> Might have been interesting Bookpal
<Bookpal> Shows how freewriting can lead you to something interesting
<Crispian> So true Bookpal
<Bookpal> Casey are you quiet or can't i see you?
<Casey> I just finished reading Crispian's post.
<Bookpal> ok
<Minky5> I can see where my disjointed bits could add *the show, don't tell* realism to a story... could be useful
<shorty103> I'm still getting use to showing not telling, it's going to take some time and work to get it right for me
<Casey> It's interesting that Chip's post leads into the ideas of freedom and independence.
<Bookpal> Yes, it is
<Casey> We're all so different.
<Bookpal> Roger that
<Crispian> Ebert That also
<Chipmonk> That's the names of the tree varieties.
<shorty103> Casey, would this be a good exercise for me to do within my journal
<Casey> Yes, Rose.
<shorty103> okay
<Minky5> I didn't come to that conclusion Casey... we all read different things into some else's work
<Bookpal> good, chip
<Casey> that's so neat, Chip.
<Casey> Because the names seem to mesh with a vision of what the trees represent.
<Minky5> Roger... Ebert... cute
<Chipmonk> Yep.
<shorty103> interesting thought Casey, that trees in some ways take on a human personality
<Bookpal> That was good, Crispian!
<Crispian> Thanks Bookpal
<Chipmonk> I thought it interesting that Casey and Crispian both commented on trees being planted in straight rows.
<Casey> Anyone else heard of a mission oak?
<shorty103> no
<Crispian> Would really like to know if anyone does?  thanks Casey
<Casey> I was surprised by that, too.
<Chipmonk> How we must really notice how unnatural that is.
<Chipmonk> Yes, but don't remember what I've read.
<Minky5> mission oak is a type of furniture
<Minky5> turn of the century
<Bookpal> I have heard of it - interesting point, Chip, about the rows.
<shorty103> well, I just learned something new
<Crispian> Like a brand name Minky?
<Chipmonk> A style of furniture.
<Crispian> Okay
<Crispian> Thanks Chipper
<Casey> Like Shaker furniture?
<Crispian> Thanks All.  Now I know where to focus my search
<shorty103> also like the barrel chair, it isn't made out of a barrel, but it's the shape of one
<Chipmonk> More like Spanish--very simple but heavy.
<Minky5> just a sec...
<Bookpal> Check "Kovels" at your library.
<Crispian> Thanks
<Casey> Anyone have questions about anything we've covered?
<Minky5> got the url I sent?
<Crispian> Thanks Minky, I got it.
<Minky5> not the best site... first to pop up...
<shorty103> Casey, I'm working on an outline, it is going very slowly, and for the past week or so, I have had writer's block,=20
<Crispian> Appreciate the help
<Casey> Minky, you're fast!
<Chipmonk> She sure is!
<Minky5> library research in the blood
<Crispian> I can appreciate that
<Casey> Rose, the exercises we did tonight might help you.
<shorty103> great
<shorty103> I do need something to get me going again
<Minky5> the brainstorming can add the fine details that make a story real
<Casey> We actually did each exercise, so when you read through the buffer, you'll have a good idea of how freewriting and clustering and mapping are done.
<Crispian> I find it refreshing to analyize writing in the types of fashions we delve into here
<shorty103> and working with my sister and cousin should help too, I hope
<Casey> Yes.  they can brainstorm with you.
<Casey> I'm glad.  Because that's the whole purpose of this workshop.
<Crispian> It definitely helps me to focus
<Minky5> and focusing is hard this time of year...
<Casey> The more "tools" you have to apply to your writing, the better equipped you are to handle all its various challenges.
<shorty103> well, my sister is writing now, what a surprise that was, but I'm happy to see her doing some of the things that I have taught her
<Crispian> Very hard Minky, too many distractions
<Chipmonk> Casey does an excellent job!
<Minky5> I'll say Crispian!
<Crispian> I concur
<Casey> Thank you, Chip.
<Bookpal> Yeah, Casey!!!!!
<shorty103> yes, she does, she's a great teacher
<Casey> Now y'all stop that!
<Crispian> YEAH YEAH YEAH, spoken by the beatles Casey
<Minky5> yes indeed Casey... I need these pushes to get going!
<Casey> Laughing, Crispy
<Minky5> mmmm Crispy critters...
<Chipmonk> First we get Elvis, now the Beatles.
<Crispian> laughing here
<Minky5> sorry... that freewriting got to me... tee hee
<Crispian> And maybe even Bobby Vee before the venue is completed
<shorty103> it wasn't me this time Crisp
<Crispian> I understand Rose
<Minky5> *groan*
<Bookpal> You remember Bobby Vee?
<Crispian> Oh Yeah
<shorty103> never heard of him
<Crispian> And his intro to fame
<Minky5> he's old... maybe older than me...
<Crispian> Laughing Minky
<Bookpal> Crisp or Bobby?
<Minky5> Crisp of course... lol
<Crispian> Both
<shorty103> Bobby
<Bookpal> lol
<Crispian> Anyone know how bobby vee got his start
<Casey> Nope.
<Bookpal> NO
<Casey> Tell us!
<Minky5> I can do this... I'm over the hill too...
<shorty103> no
<Minky5> no... tell all *yawn*
<Crispian> He was the replacement act that followed Buddy Holly's death

(Deleted was a long discussion of songs and musicians)-Casey the Censor
<Minky5> damn lyrics.com is not finding it...
Chipmonk> Bob bobba loo bob a bop bam boom
<Minky5> SUZANNE
<Minky5> by Leonard Cohen
<Minky5>=20
<Minky5> Suzanne takes you down
<Minky5> To the place by the river
<Minky5> You can hear the boats go by
<Minky5> You can spend the night forever
<Minky5> And you know that she's half crazy
<Minky5> And that's why you want to be there
<Minky5> And she feeds you tea and oranges
<Minky5> That come all the way from China
<Minky5> And just when you want to tell her
<Minky5> That you have no love to give her
<Minky5> She gets you on her wavelength
<Minky5> And she lets the river answer
<Minky5> That you've always been her lover
<Minky5>
<Minky5> And you want to travel with her
<Minky5> And you want to travel blind
<Minky5> And you think maybe you'll trust her
<Minky5> For she's touched your perfect body with her mind
<Minky5>
<Minky5> And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water
<Minky5> And He spent a long time watching
<Minky5> From a lonely wooden tower
<Minky5> And when he knew for certain
<Minky5> Only drowning men could see him
<Minky5> He said, all men shall be sailors, then,
<Minky5> Until the sea shall free them
<Minky5> But He, himself was broken
<Minky5> Long before the sky would open
<Minky5> Forsaken, almost human
<Minky5> He sank beneath your wisdom like a stone
<Minky5>
<Minky5> Suzanne takes you down
<Minky5> To the place by the river
<Minky5> You can hear the boats go by
<Minky5> You can spend the night forever
<Minky5> And the sun pours down like honey
<Minky5> On Our Lady of the Harbor
<Minky5> And she shows you where to look
<Minky5> Amidst the garbage and the flowers
<Minky5> There are heroes in the seaweed
<Minky5> There are children in the morning
<Minky5> They are leaning out for love
<Minky5> And they will lean that way forever
<Minky5> While Suzanne holds the mirror
<Chipmonk> Okay, science fiction writers.  What song did William Shatner
butcher?
<Minky5> lol this didn't work..
<shorty103> Wow! what happened, that went so fast
<Minky5> found the lyrics
<Chipmonk> That's them all right.
<Minky5> tried to paste... rotfl
<Bookpal> Shatner - it's a mystery to me!
<shorty103> me too!, and I should know it but I don't
<Crispian> Thanks Minky
<Chipmonk> Thanks Mink!
<shorty103> I'm glad that you did find it Mary
<Bookpal> Thanks
<Minky5> but that's not who sang it!
<Casey> Thank you, Minky
<Chipmonk> Oh well.
<Chipmonk> He was more of a poet than a singer.  Did the songs for McCabe and Mrs. Miller.
<Casey> I don't remember him singing
<Bookpal> Santa Baby
<shorty103> Kenny Tabis
<Casey> Oh!  Oh!  Grandma got run over by a reindeer!
<Chipmonk> No one knows the Shatner one?
<Casey> Nope
<Bookpal> no
<Minky5> I will have the answer if it kills me... arghh
<Chipmonk> Hey Mr. Tambourine Man
<Crispian> Well all, I'm off.  Thanks for a great Session.  Enjoyed it immensely.  You All have a GREAT WEEK
<Minky5> Bob Dylan
<Casey> What would you like us to say about you when you're gone, Minky?
<shorty103> by Crisp
<Minky5> are we meeting in two weeks?
<Chipmonk> You too Crispy.
<Bookpal> Bye, Crispian - you too - it's been a good one
<Casey> Goodnight, Crispian.  Glad you could make it.
<Minky5> not that lol
<Crispian> You all take care, bye.
<Minky5> night Crispian
<shorty103> Willie Nelson
<Minky5> two weeks is the 26th
<Casey> Shatner sang Mr. Tambourine Man?!
<Bookpal> I'll be in Arizona on the 26th
<Chipmonk> Butchered Mr. Tambourine Man.
<Bookpal> I'm glad I didn't hear it