CHAT ARCHIVE - 4-8-2000, Viewpoint

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Started on Sun Apr 09 00:48:00 2000

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<Casey> I didn't have time to prepare a grammar lesson tonight, but if I can refocus, I'm generally prepared to discuss Viewpoint.
<Casey> Viewpoint is one of those things I never gave much thought to because I always knew whose story I was telling when I began it.
<Casey> It was natural to tell "that story through that main character's perspective."
<Casey> Not until I began researching Viewpoint did I realize how it can play a role in the story you're telling.
<shorty103> I'm finding that out! LOL
<Casey> Like everything else, the choice of viewpoint can play an active part in the story you're telling--can help add action in an off-handed kind of way.
<Casey> Have you ever decided upon a viewpoint character yet, Rose?
<Casey> Or decided upon first person versus third person?
<shorty103> no, I find it a hard decision to make
<shorty103> one sounds good, but the other sounds even better,
<kissfan> I find 3rd person so much easier to write
<Casey> I don't know that anything I present tonight will help you make that final decision.
<shorty103> it seems I write with the ' I ' and then look at it and say 'it should have been third'
<Casey> I know you've been doing quite a bit of reading on the subject already.
<shorty103> I know, but it will help just to talk it out
<shorty103> yes, so much so I'm driving myself crazy
<Casey> Russ was having trouble integrating with one of his characters so he is experimenting with writing the chapter in first person, then changing it over to third person.
<kissfan> LOL
<kissfan> Was that the one that he was having trouble with?
<shorty103> that does sound like a good idea
<Casey> It's one way to get the author out of the chapter and let the character himself drive the action.
<Casey> Yes, chapter 9.
<kissfan> I thought so
<Casey> He was having so much trouble with it that he let me read the little bit he had written. His instincts were good. I understood right away why he wasn't happy with the chapter.
<shorty103> but you remember that little thing I wrote about the house, I have been giving it some thought about using it in a story, but that that's how far I got with it
<Casey> How can I forget that passage?
<kissfan> she did real good on that one didn't she
<Casey> Yes, she did.
<shorty103> blush!
<shorty103> it's that thing called imagination that I can't get focused on
<Casey> The single viewpoint is one we're all very familiar with.
<Casey> It's where a single character tells his or her story from beginning to end.
<Casey> Imagination doesn't happen when you're focused on being creative, Rose.
<Casey> It usually hits you like a chunk of sky when you're not looking.
<kissfan> isn't that the truth!
<shorty103> well, I can't seem to find what ever it is
<Casey> When your single viewpoint character is telling his story in first person, the reader's assumption is that he survived to tell his story.
<shorty103> yes, I do understand that, and third is telling the story not only from their view but from all sides
<Casey> Therefore, if your climax scene is life-threatening, like a stalker finally closing in on his intended victim, some of the impact is lost if the story is being told in first person.
<Casey> Also, the author can't actually address the stalker and what he's doing, therefore raising tension, because the author can't leave the viewpoint character to give those extraneous details.
<Casey> If your story contains such a scenario as part of the climax, your story might better be told in third person where you can give the details of the stalker/murderer/bad guy closing in on the protagonist.
<shorty103> I have decided to write it in third, because, the author can put himself in each of the main character, as well as those who just come in for a moment and then gone
<Casey> You'll find it a lot easier to write in many ways, Rose.
<kissfan> yes you will
<kissfan> Funny you mention stalker. One of the stories I am working on deals with a stalker LOL
<shorty103> yes, the more I talk it over, and read, the more sense it makes
<shorty103> but it seems that each step I take, it's like pulling teeth, I can't seem to focus on more than one thing at a time
<Casey> To complicate matters just a bit, the viewpoint character does not have to be the main character.
<shorty103> it's hard to write when I'm in a business mind, yes I do understand that
<shorty103> and the other way around, I'm crazy, I know!
<kissfan> you have to learn to divide your time Rose.
<shorty103> LOL
<shorty103> that is why I took some time to relax before tonight's class
<Casey> I've run a business for years (and am over my head in work right now) but I have learned to focus off work in order to write. (It's actually a relief to think of something besides work!)
<Casey> Your main character is whoever you say it is, which does not have to be the person telling the story.
<Casey> When would having a 'displaced viewpoint character' be desirable?
<shorty103> you got me, I'm not sure I understand
<Casey> (displaced viewpoint character = a person who isn't the main character who's telling the story)
<shorty103> okay, when they make an appearance for a small part, like a hotel manager
<Casey> Whoever is telling the story (from beginning to end) will never be considered a minor character.
<Casey> First we should understand what is accomplished by using someone other than the main character to tell the story.
<shorty103> okay, understood
<Casey> Whenever a character, even a minor one, assumes the story's narration, they are no longer considered inconsequential.
<shorty103> okay
<kissfan> when they are telling what happened like to a police detective? the whole story is told by that person.
<Casey> When someone significant but not the main character tells a story, it adds mystery and power to the main character.
<shorty103> yes, I do understand that,
<Casey> The displaced viewpoint character (also called a bridge) is used to interpret the main character's actions.
<shorty103> if that person whom is speaking, that paragraph or chapter should be of that person only
<Casey> It's especially good to use a bridge if the main character is really strange in a way most people would not be able to identify with.
<Casey> In the Silence of the Lambs, the woman investigator is telling the story.
<shorty103> it's like being on stage, with it be the main character or minor one, it should always be spoken by that one character
<Casey> Although the story is actually about the killer (I forget his name right now.)
<kissfan> Hannibal Lector I think
<Casey> He's done such heinous things that we would not easily be able to identify with him, but because it's told through the woman's perspective, she interprets what she learns, inteprets his actions for the reader, but in doing so, makes him larger than life.
<Casey> yes, that's his name. I was thinking Hannibal but didn't think that was right.
<kissfan> yep it is. I have the movie LOL
<Casey> Watson and Holmes is another use of a bridge (acting as a foil) to make the main character larger than life.
<kissfan> yes I agree
<Casey> Richard, I've already discussed most of the uses of a displaced viewpoint character or bridge.
<Wwombat> You think I have a displaced viewpoint?
<Casey> Certainly a low viewpoint.
<kissfan> depends on what you are wearing today Richard LOL
<Wwombat> A pink skirt and flowers
<kissfan> OOOOO nice can I borrow that outfit?
<Wwombat> That would leave me in the ........ OK
<kissfan> LOL
<Casey> To finish up with a bridge: the viewpoint character can explain or interpret what the main character is doing/saying, a bridge can ask questions, and provides objectivity. He can also provide a moral contrast to the main character.
<Wwombat> Sorry, a bridge is a secondary character ?
<Casey> A bridge is the person telling the story who is not the main character.
<Wwombat> Ah Dr Watson I presume
<Casey> Like Watson and Sherlock Holmes.
<Casey> Exactly.
<shorty103> okay, now I understand
<Wwombat> Can one use a bridge in a shifting POV story ?
<Casey> Up to now, we've considered only single narrators.
<Casey> That would make the story even harder to follow, I'd think.
<Casey> I'm sure it's possible, but how complicated do you want to get?
<Casey> Multiple viewpoints are most commonly used in novel-length stories.
<Wwombat> I think Casey is more than our bridge in this session
<shorty103> LOL
<Casey> Casey courtesies.
<Wwombat> I prefer a single POV third person character
<Wwombat> Then you can keep a lot of things 'secret' from the reader
<Casey> Those are certainly the easiest to write and read.
<Wwombat> With multiple POV, if you don't include some major characters, you can be seen as cheating
<Casey> Switching viewpoints takes extra work on both the author's and the reader's sides.
<Casey> If you're going to switch viewpoints, its best to establish that pattern early on.
<Casey> That way, the reader knows the ground rules, so to speak.
<kissfan> I have been writing since high school and I am still learning
<Wwombat> I find, write what comes naturally first, then fix it up
<shorty103> yes, I am finding that out, by this class and reading about writing, different articles on writing
<Casey> With multiple POV's, you need to have a firm knowledge of who the story is about, just as you do with single viewpoints.
<Casey> Obviously, the "who the story is about" is usually 2 people, sometimes more.
<Wwombat> We all
<shorty103> interesting
<Wwombat> Yes, I agree with Casey. Writing 'naturally' also allows one to wander
<shorty103> everywhere
<Casey> However, be careful with two viewpoint characters that their separate stories don't separate so much it creates a cavern.
<Casey> The story has to be the wedding of two characters, not their divorce.
<Wwombat> Your two people premise sounds like a Romance.
<Casey> I was speaking figuratively.
<shorty103> now finding two people, I know one would be me, or someone like me, and who would be the other one! hmmm! interesting thought
<Wwombat> Who dunnits usually have only one concerned person -- the body
<Casey> Talk about off-stage characters, yours is under that stage, Richard!
<Wwombat> But I like the two people approach. It forces the author to consider the story and the plot from at least two different perspectives
<Casey> It also sometimes forces the author to consider ways to bring together 2 people who may be total opposites.
<Wwombat> Like the body and the mortician?
<shorty103> it is an interesting way of looking at things now,
<Casey> If you are able to introduce a character before he or she takes over the narration of the story, there is less a feeling of fragmentation.
<Wwombat> OK So the wombat (my cousin) arrives on stage on page 7 but doesn't become the POV character until Chapter 2
<kissfan> are you out of lollies, richard?
<Casey> Establishing a connection across or between characters also helps to unite the diverse viewpoint characters.
<Wwombat> Just cooking up a fresh batch. What colours would you like ?
<kissfan> LOl any is fine
<shorty103> lollies?
<kissfan> as in lollypops
<Wwombat> Long suffering Casey. By a connection, you mean that the POV characters should know each other ?
<Casey> You guys have any ideas about devices that can cross the void of viewpoint characters?
<Casey> Not necessarily, Richard. They can begin as complete strangers.
<Wwombat> a frisbee ?
<shorty103> I thought so, but I didn't want to put my foot in my mouth! LOL
<Casey> A bad throw that whops an innocent bystander upside the head?
<Casey> "I'll sue!"
<Casey> Story begins.
<kissfan> LOL
<shorty103> LOL
<Wwombat> One character drops something, the other picks it up. ( now we're back to the body !)
<Casey> Let's get really weird. How about a tornado? (Weather is always a great unifying topic.)
<shorty103> LOL
<Wwombat> Caseu begins a suing story ?
<Casey> I prefer the French spelling. Caseau
<shorty103> I see Richard's fingers aren't working right either, so I don't feel to bad! LOL
<Wwombat> Two POV's get blown together
<Wwombat> I have to keep them out of my mouth
<Casey> A tornado would be an external unifying factor.
<Casey> What about internal unifying factors?
<Casey> (Keep it clean.)
<shorty103> I am, but I don't know about Richard!
<Wwombat> Tummy troubles, could unify a chef and a customer, a doctor and a patient, a cripple and a helper
<Casey> Yep.
<Casey> Any emotions, as well. Fear. Love. Hatred.
<Wwombat> But why do you keep harping on my tum ?
<Casey> I don't, but all your frames of reference seem to come from a gastronomical perspective.
<Wwombat> Love in a tornado. I like it
<Wwombat> Better than teeth in a tomato
<shorty103> LOL
<Casey> I don't know about that. I LOVE tomatoes.
<kissfan> or a lollie stuck in your fur
<Wwombat> Now who has a gastronomic slant
<kissfan> LOL
<Casey> That would be external troubles, Kathy.
<shorty103> I've never seen one except on tv, and I'm not sure I could handle one of those
<kissfan> depends on who helps remedy the problem HEHEE
<Wwombat> But Casey, all you are saying is that the plot should bring the POV characters together, rather than coincidence ?
<Casey> You've never seen a tomato except on TV?
<Wwombat> A killer tomato ?
<kissfan> LOL
<shorty103> nope! never had the pleasure!
<shorty103> I mean tornado
<Casey> Coincidence is very hard to write convincingly. I've read some really awful "coincidences" written into stories.
<Wwombat> And I was about to suggest a visit to your local friendly grocer
<kissfan> LOL really
<shorty103> LOL. I'm allergic to tomatoes
<Wwombat> Coincidences also seem like cheats to readers
<Casey> Exactly. That's what makes them so hard to incorporate into a story.
<Wwombat> No, that's what makes them mandatory to avoid in a story
<shorty103> what do you mean by coincidence? I don't understand the word
<Casey> Another thing that seems hokey when written about are hunches or telepathic coincidences.
<Wwombat> Agreed. They are old hat. Readers expect better today
<Casey> When you and I say the same thing at the same time, that is an example of a telepathic coincidence. It's something that happens by chance.
<shorty103> okay
<Wwombat> But not when you both say different things at the same time
<Casey> It happens in real life, but it sounds contrived--forced--when written into a story.
<Wwombat> That's called an argument or a fight
<Wwombat> So why do women always assume that men are thinking about the same things they are?
<Wwombat> Even when they've just changed their mind ?
<Casey> If it's not sex, they aren't.
<kissfan> LOL I was thinking that Casey
<Wwombat> Oh, do you think about that all the time, too ???
<shorty103> no!
<Casey> No. That's the problem (as my husband perceives it)
<kissfan> LOL same here Casey
<shorty103> I just don't get it to start off with!
<Wwombat> He probably thinks about football now and again.
<kissfan> not my husband LOL
<Wwombat> Rose, I'm sorry you don't get it
<Casey> Rarely. His sexual thoughts are interspersed with thoughts about drumming and drums and drumsticks.
<Wwombat> He likes chicken dinners ?
<Casey> And paradiddles, and flams, and . . .
<Casey> Very much so.
<shorty103> that is one topic Jim's forever talking about, but due to something that happened to him at work, talk is all he's getting now
<Casey> Okay, to complete tonight's topic (the official one):
<shorty103> he burnt his ??? private!
<Wwombat> Men are not always responsible for everything that happens at work. The Boss sometimes has something to do with it
<Wwombat> So he now has a hot one ?
<shorty103> LOL
<Casey> Viewpoint shifts, ideally, should take place by scenes, chapters, or parts, not in the middle of any one.
<kissfan> I have heard of too hot to handle but that is a bit extreme
<Casey> LOL!
<shorty103> LOl, sorry, I'm giggling so bad, I can't type right
<Wwombat> Casey, did we cover all your prepared ideas ?
<shorty103> Richard, it just shrunk,
<Casey> I'm concluding right now. I don't think anyone's focused any longer.
<shorty103> no!
<Wwombat> Rose, you are a bad influence on us
<kissfan> were we focused to begin with LOL
<shorty103> not me!
<Casey> Not really, Kathy.
<Casey> We just get worse the later it gets.
<kissfan> yep I know HEHEE
<Wwombat> That's cos we need sustenance to keep going.
<Wwombat> I drink
<shorty103> and it has a hard time standing up by itself!
<Casey> When you have multiple viewpoints, your reader's attention will be challenged to keep straight who everyone is and what their goals are. Throwing in really convoluted or complicated plotlines may be a bit too much.
<kissfan> popsicle sticks and tape HEHEE
<Casey> ROSE!
<shorty103> LOL
<shorty103> sorry, Casey, I couldn't help myself
<Casey> you guys must miss Zen.
<kissfan> I see trash can in her future LOL
<shorty103> I'm beyond help tonight
<Casey> *Rattles trash can, to remind members of dire consequences*
<Wwombat> If its still too hot, and has a Popsicle stick taped to it, and you put it in the fridge ....
<kissfan> I see that Rose
<shorty103> sorry Casey, I'll behave
<kissfan> HEHEE
<Casey> Richard, don't encourage her!
<shorty103> LOL
<Casey> If I had anything else to add, I'm afraid it's gone from my head now.
<shorty103> this is not like me, I'm sorry everyone
<kissfan> LOL no doubt
<Casey> You folks are incorrigible.
<kissfan> One of those days Casey
<Wwombat> No, I'm corrigible
<shorty103> well, Richard started it, I just help finish it!
<Casey> Then don't stand in the rain or go swimming in that big pond without licking yourself really dry.
<Casey> Rust on a wombat would seem unseemly.
<shorty103> LOL
<Wwombat> You may have a better audience next week. I have house guests who want to be taken to see the sights
<Casey> NW's meets every other week. Enjoy the tour.
<Wwombat> Now I shall have to go and look up the word. I'm lost
<Wwombat> And the following week is Easter
<kissfan> yep you are free next week
<shorty103> that soon!
<kissfan> That is right! I forgot that
<shorty103> Easter!
<Casey> I'm teasing, Richard. Corrigible sounds close to corrode-able.
<kissfan> yep it does LOL
<Casey> Oh, you're right!
<Casey> We probably won't meet again until May then.
<Wwombat> Apologies for making your explain your joke. I'm getting slow. (Hits self on side of head. Staggers.)
<Casey> (Egads! I just told a man he's right. I am in pitiful shape tonight.)
<kissfan> doesn't seem possible
<shorty103> Okay, just let me know when the next one is
<Wwombat> Casey, don't fret too much. I'm only a wombat
<kissfan> I just want to know where the month has gone
<Casey> Whew! I haven't totally lost it.
<Wwombat> Up to Canada
<kissfan> must have LOL
<kissfan> Rose has it then LOL
<shorty103> nothing came up here! LOL
<Casey> Rose, don't give me back April. I'd like March, though, if you still have it.
<kissfan> ya so we heard LOL
<kissfan> and take May I want June though
<shorty103> what are you talking about!
<shorty103> I've lost it!
<kissfan> LOL that was easy HEHEE
<Casey> you're just starry-eyed, Kathy. That silly grin on your face gives you away.
<Wwombat> She's lost time. Look under the bed. Find that month !
<kissfan> OOPS
<shorty103> LOL
<kissfan> I want to be standing in the front row of that concert
<shorty103> but what happens when it comes Oct. who's gonna get it then
<kissfan> YOU
<shorty103> not me!
<Wwombat> I'll accept October. Its Spring
<kissfan> Ya for you Richard
<Casey> You don't count your months backwards, Richard?
<shorty103> when is the first day of spring down there Richard?
<Casey> December, November, October . . .
<Wwombat> I think spring starts in September
<kissfan> probably when it is the first day of autumn for us
<shorty103> true!
<Wwombat> But we start all seasons on the first of the month
<kissfan> wow we start ours around the 21st
<Wwombat> And we don't allow it to snow .....
<kissfan> I hate snow Canada can have all of it HEHEE
<Casey> Send some to Virginia! I'll take snow!
<kissfan> LOL ok
<kissfan> Vermont is getting snow tonight
<shorty103> well, most of down there doesn't have snow, and NO, I don't want the snow either!
<shorty103> wow!
<Wwombat> Just so you can make a snow man with a stiff .........
<kissfan> LOL
<Casey> backbone. Yes.
<Wwombat> nose
<shorty103> very funny Richard!
<Casey> Did you think he was about to say something off color?
<Wwombat> Never
<kissfan> after the early comments Rose made I wasn't sure LOL
<shorty103> yes, but that is beside the point!
<Casey> He's an honorable wombat.
<Wwombat> I'm pure as the driven snow
<kissfan> even in that pink skirt
<Wwombat> Who is the chauffeur for that snow ?
<Casey> There's a little yellowish tinge to your snow in that spot right there, Richard.
<Wwombat> It goes well with mu lippy
<shorty103> but I must admit, I'm really coming out of my shell now, at one time, I would never talk this way to or about anyone
<Casey> mu lippy?
<kissfan> ?
<Wwombat> its called passionate puse
<Casey> lol!
<kissfan> LOL
<shorty103> Okay
<kissfan> You have been hanging around me too much Rose
<Casey> It's obvious, Rose. You've been hanging around with us way too long.
<Wwombat> While i have no influence what so ever
<kissfan> ya right LOL
<Wwombat> Rose, it's all their fault
<Casey> Yeah, it's that snow thing, Richard.
<shorty103> I just realized something tonight, I have really changed, I mean, I've grown up a lot from the time I've moved in with Jim,
<kissfan> Me I will never grow up HEHEE
<Wwombat> Keep those thoughts, ideas, experiences. Use them in a story
<Casey> Me, I was born mature and am working my way backwards.
<shorty103> and you can say what you want, but I have grown up, I do things that I never thought I see myself doing, like owning a business, writing and having special friends like all of you
<shorty103> me too Casey!
<Wwombat> I am already planning to use poor Jim's accident in one of mine. I'll change the name to protect the guilty
<kissfan> yep Rose I have seen the change in you since the first time we talked
<kissfan> OOPS LOL
<kissfan> I will have to read that one Richard
<kissfan> LOL
<Casey> Another zany Womack yarn.
<shorty103> well, I will tell you a little bit about that accident, it was because of a welding torch, it slipped and it burnt him there
<Casey> I miss that you don't submit for critique anymore, Richard.
<Casey> It's the only way I got to read any of your writing.
<Wwombat> It fits right into a radio play I started t week
<Wwombat> Thanks Rose. I may elaborate on it
<kissfan> Damn that had to hurt!
<kissfan> welding tourches are so very hot
<shorty103> I thought I would tell how he did it, then you can take it from there, but it is true of how he did it
<Casey> I have naughty thoughts so I can't say anything.
<kissfan> LOL
<shorty103> yes, and that's why it won't stand up, sorry Casey, I just had to throw that in
<Wwombat> Thanks Rose, the truth will be suitably expanded
<Casey> Isn't 'stand up' a misnomer? It actually points.
<shorty103> all he had left of his on was the elastic parts of his underwear after the accident
<kissfan> LOL
<Wwombat> Seriously, Rose (for the plot, you understand) I assume it will completely recover ?
<shorty103> yes
<shorty103> I understand
<Wwombat> Now you add that bit, it sounds more serious but also more fun
<kissfan> Man viagra won't even work Rose?
<Wwombat> Could be too painful
<kissfan> yep I know I had to throw that in though HEHEE
<shorty103> he tells me this story over, and over, and over , and over again, I've got down pat! and you got that right!
<Casey> Guys do that! Harold tells me the same stories numerous times. It's gotten to the point where I tell the story the moment I even suspect he's about to tell it again.
<shorty103> just like a lot of his stories, he loves to tell them to anyone who will listen
<kissfan> yep don't I know it! and they say we talk too much
<Wwombat> But wives dutifully laugh at the punch lines still
<Wwombat> So you must be faking it
<Casey> Guys only think we're laughing at the punch line.
<kissfan> not me I just tell him that I heard it all before and it isn't funny anymore
<shorty103> says who! I don't just laugh at anything, it's got to be funny for me to laugh!
<Casey> Whoa! Now you know how vicious women are.
<shorty103> I don't even laugh at the sitcoms that are on, I don't care for them
<kissfan> Well only when it comes to him HEHEE
<Wwombat> No ( all innocence )
<Casey> The sitcoms are dumb. They're a big reason why I gave up television.
<kissfan> I don't watch them either
<Wwombat> A very few are clever
<kissfan> Dwayne thinks they are the best thing to happen to tv. that shows you where his head is at
<shorty103> I'm into the star wars, star trek and stuff like that, I try to find the plot and other things that might help me in developing a character or just because the story is interesting
<Casey> The few that were clever were not worth the toll of watching the majority that weren't.
<Wwombat> Did you get "Yes, Minister" ?
<Casey> No.
<shorty103> never heard of it
<kissfan> no
<Wwombat> So, the best British comedies don't cross the Atlantic.
<shorty103> but with over a 160 channels to choose from, I don't get bored
<Wwombat> They are thoughtful. But, I assume, require a common cultural background
<kissfan> stop bragging Rose I only get 60
<shorty103> satellite
<Wwombat> I only get 3, and that's 3 too many
<Casey> If they did, it would contrast too greatly with the trash we get. Americans might start wanting better than we have, then bedlam would break out.
<kissfan> 60 channels of crap and nothing to watch
<shorty103> I'm almost to that point, most of the time, my tv is off, and Jim's is going strong in the bedroom
<Wwombat> Mind you, most British stuff is bad as well
<Wwombat> Let Jim watch, he can't do anything else right now
<Casey> Television is great for viewing videos. Other than that, it's a nice place to display a few knickknacks.
<shorty103> nature shows, and space shows, and the odd movie, well, with a library of over 500 movies, we don't get bored for long
<Wwombat> For the cat to knock off
<kissfan> so true
<Casey> I lived in England for a year. British humor is a bit odd at times.
<Wwombat> Ask Witchie. It's also affected me
<Casey> I saw Jesus Christ Superstar in London and again in Virginia. I liked the British humor better.
<Wwombat> I haven't seen it. Can't comment
<Casey> Ahhhh, blame your warped personality on British telly! There's the culprit.
<shorty103> I can't get into the British humor, it seems so dry to me, but my dad loves it
<Wwombat> "Some Mother's do have them" ?
<kissfan> didn't care for Jesus Christ superstar but liked Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat better
<Casey> Is that the title of another sitcom?
<Wwombat> Yes. Starred Michael Crawford before he became the Phantom of the Opera
<kissfan> nope same one wrote the lyrics to both superstar and dreamcoat
<Casey> (Sorry to confuse you, Kathy. I asked that of Richard.)
<shorty103> no, it was a show, Donny Osmond did it for awhile, is that right Kathy
<kissfan> oh
<Wwombat> JC Superstar was Lloyd Webber
<kissfan> yep I have it now on video Rose it just came out
<kissfan> yep and so was Joseph
<shorty103> Oh okay, we have it in the video stores up here, but I just can't afford it at the moment
<kissfan> when you can get it
<Casey> I like dry humor, but then I tend to write subtly, too.
<Casey> I heard that Joseph was good. I haven't seen it yet.
<Wwombat> Hey Ladies, my time is just about up. My Boss needs me !!!!!
<Casey> Understand. Glad to see you again tonight, Richard.
<Casey> Take care. I'd say goodnight, but it's afternoon there.
<Casey> Good day?
<Wwombat> But a wombat can sleep anytime. After a good meal.
<Wwombat> G'day
<shorty103> that's seems strange, we're saying good night, and he's saying good day
<Wwombat> That Aussie ro 'strine' that we talk
<Wwombat> Bye all
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